What do you think Illich means when he tells Brown, "The real task is to remove from my own mind that screen. You and Mitchum spoke just a few minutes ago which makes your face inaccessible to me, which removes the thou which you are and from whose gaze, whose pupilla in the eye, I receive myself inaccessible to me." ???
The transcript seems to have some problems, but it indicates Jerry was in the Berkeley studio (KPFA) and Ivan and Carl were in the LA studio (KPFK), and they are using some kind of live video feed. I think Ivan must be referring to this technology where either his screen blanks out when Jerry and Carl are talking to each other, or Ivan knows Jerry's eyes are taking in Carl, not him, when those two are talking — although the screen effect is to allow any viewer to see the speaker as if they are facing and addressing them directly. The synchronous nature of the medium excludes more than one channel, more than a two-person dialogue because a bank of faces (like the grid in Zoom) can't be regarded with the same simultaneity of actually being together.
What do you think Illich means when he tells Brown, "The real task is to remove from my own mind that screen. You and Mitchum spoke just a few minutes ago which makes your face inaccessible to me, which removes the thou which you are and from whose gaze, whose pupilla in the eye, I receive myself inaccessible to me." ???
The transcript seems to have some problems, but it indicates Jerry was in the Berkeley studio (KPFA) and Ivan and Carl were in the LA studio (KPFK), and they are using some kind of live video feed. I think Ivan must be referring to this technology where either his screen blanks out when Jerry and Carl are talking to each other, or Ivan knows Jerry's eyes are taking in Carl, not him, when those two are talking — although the screen effect is to allow any viewer to see the speaker as if they are facing and addressing them directly. The synchronous nature of the medium excludes more than one channel, more than a two-person dialogue because a bank of faces (like the grid in Zoom) can't be regarded with the same simultaneity of actually being together.
What do you make of it?